Anger as man sentenced to death for Facebook comment
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* https://tamilguardian.com/content/explainer-sivarasa-anojan-...
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"No one should be imprisoned, let alone face execution simply for expressing their views, even if these are deemed insulting or offensive," said Heba Morayef, Amnesty's regional director for the Middle East and North Africa.
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There was quite an iteresting dicsussion of the islamic law on r/CritiqueIslam https://www.reddit.com/r/CritiqueIslam/comments/1wjz0r2/the_...
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2. Related, how did Saudi Arabia attorney establish that the comment was authentic? Nothing could be easier than doctoring a screenshot. Did they get Facebook to cooperate and confirm this comment was indeed posted by this man? The articles don't mention this.
3. I hope Sri Lanka and other countries will put pressure on Saudi Arabia to get this man a pardon.
4. It would be very easy for Facebook to implement automated censorship of comments that would cause their author to be killed, imprisoned, or fined. This is obviously censorship, but useful censorship. With Jev or similar models you could do it for a few hundreds of cents per comment, if that, and no doubt Facebook could do it for even cheaper.
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When you confront the "true believers" with logical counter arguments to their beliefs, it results in frustration, which then manifests itself as violence.
If you're asking the living about "life after death" you need to re-examine your data collection procedures.
Only the dead know what happens, and they are notoriously difficult to converse with.
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The problem was a trivial one; there was a dog in a non-muslim religious procession which was wantonly kicked by a muslim man. As any normal empathetic human would, this person wrote a facebook post condemning it in somewhat strong terms which may have had some religious flavour which he later deleted and apologized for.
The above is what is being tried under blasphemous laws by the Saudis. Where is the outrage from the international media, human rights organizations and the larger world?
We are living in the 21st century, for goodness' sake!
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Furthermore, people can be outraged at anything, including things that are good for them. Can't be more clear than what we see happening in certain geo-political circles.
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Are you proselytizing Islam, in a thread to do with Saudi Arabia's state sponsored would-be-murder of a non-muslim in the name of Islam, because he wrote something on Facebook?
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Once there's enough Islam, Sharia law gets adopted.
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>Saudi Arabia is among the world's most prolific executioners. According to Amnesty, at least 175 people had been executed in the kingdom this year as of 5 October, most of them foreign nationals, including at least 94 people from more than 20 countries. It has no written penal code, leaving many offences and punishments to judges' interpretation of Sharia, and broad provisions in its counter-terrorism and cybercrime laws have been used to impose long sentences for social media posts.
This should be widely publicized. No foreigner is safe.
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England and Wales isn't far off, some might claim. The blasphemy law was repealed only in 2008 but at the same time replaced with something not so severe, which got tested recently by a man burning convicted for burning a Quran, which got overturned on a high court appeal.
Not to mention the whole raft of hate/offence/communication crimes that can be used in a similar manner:
https://freespeechunion.org/fundraisers/blasphemy-fundraiser
I know balance must exist, especially when it approaches physical violence, but we must have an absolute right to discuss intolerance and violence and misogyny no matter what book it's in.
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You mean when the islamic prophet mandates killing people for disagreements? Which is then countered by stating the quran does not directly demand it (and even that is a stretch, or shall we say "technically true", it merely strongly encourages it)
And let's just not discuss what happens when you tell a muslim "ok, brutally kidnapping and executing people for disagreeing with you is wrong, and certainly killing an entire tribe/village of people killing men, women and children all because one of them disagreed with you is VERY wrong, so then tell me the prophet was absolutely wrong for doing that".
If there exist any kind of moral issue that should be judged fully as black or white, this one would be the top of the list.
Just pointing out the problem by making a comment stating more exactly what the problem is. Just look what happens to this comment ...
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Saudi Arabia executed 356 people last year. Apparently a record.
Iraq, China, Egypt, Somalia... The list goes on. And unfortunately the USA is also on that wall of shame (47 in 2025).
The world is not in a great shape.
EDIT: In many Muslim countries blasphemy and apostasy are punishable by death. Not all of them enforce it though but it's still in the books.
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I guess the bright side is that they’re less prepared to believe in criminal witchcraft than North Africans.
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- the US believes religion doesn't belong in government, a lot of the rest of the world does.
-I don't believe in executing people for what they say, however I do also believe in a countries right to self govern, but I also believe other countries should condemn certain behaviour - it's a fine line with, and a fuzzy one.
- I also believe in 'when in rome'. Eg I was a Catholic in Morocco, and you can bet your boots I didn't go anywhere near their (fairly impressive!) mosques (as I didn't have a good understanding of their requirements, and I wasn't around long enough to have the time to learn).
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France is a country where religion is separated from government.
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No you don't. Why is this lie allowed to perpetuate?
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Wait, did I step in a different timeline, one where there is not a major cultural battlefield in the US that’s centered around religion?
You might want to see your country from outside of its borders to have a more objective perspective on the matter. The US is on its way to becoming a Christian fundamentalist country in ways we haven’t seen since the middle ages in Europe, for example.
I guess it’s to be expected as all the religious weirdos fled Europe for the Americas, and they hold still a lot of power. I mean, you have “In God we trust” in your banknotes. Not very secular of you.
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People with mental illnesses should be in government though, this is a terrible argument.
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I'd extend that to any religion based in supernatural beings being a mental illness in an adult. It's incredible how many adults can't realize that supernatural beings are an imagination exercise, and any control they allow to others based on this imaginary authority is a form of exploitation.
These people should not be making laws for the rest of us, use official media to disseminate religious messages, or act based on religious beliefs.